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Question: “I’ll be as concise as I can, but this is a bit of a complicated situation. I have known my husband since we were both 17 (we are now approaching age 50). We have been married for nearly 25 years. We have 4 children, and became members of the LDS Church when we were about 29 years old. A year later, In 1990, we were sealed in the temple. I thought my husband and I were best friends, faithful to one another, honest with each other, and quite content with our lives in general. We did face loss and grief: financial loss, loss of my father-in-law and mother-in-law, suicide of 2 of my husbands nephews, and the difficulties that raising very spirited (sometimes very difficult) children brought us. These occurred over the course of a couple of years. When I noticed my husband having difficulty functioning as well as he had in the past, I assumed it was because of these difficulties. He seemed to move past them in time. Three years ago I was helping my husband organize his desk when I noticed something wrapped up in a bag. I opened it and found a self-help tape called “How To Overcome Sexual Addiction”. I called my husband at work and questioned him about it. He said that he used to have a problem with pornography, but that he was over it. He had just been given the High Priesthood and put in as Second Counselor in the Bishopric in our church ward. Over the next few days I found out that he had still had problems just a couple of months prior to my finding that tape. He didn’t offer to counsel with the Bishop, but I mentioned that I needed to talk with the Bishop about this, and we both ended up counseling with him. Our bishop was new and quite inexperienced in this area, and assumed his repentance was complete, and kept him in the Bishopric. Over the next year I was shocked repeatedly as I found out the extent of his problem. He had not “slept” with anyone, or had emotional relationships with anyone, but he had many “lap dances” at clubs, obviously with topless and mostly bottomless women, he had phone sex, he had done other things that were offered at sex shops. This was much more extensive than I originally thought, in fact I didn’t even realize that some of these things existed. I was sheltered growing up, and just wasn’t exposed to this sort of thing. During this year my husband read a 12 step book, which he worked on diligently, and he assured me he was a changed man, fully repentant. The real shocker for me came when I said I needed him to take a lie detector test, about a year into this whole discovery. I needed to know if he had molested our children (any children), had intercourse with anyone else since our marriage, and other things. Anyhow, he came out clean on those points, however before having the test he told me that for half of this second year he was back into the pornography. I was devastated. I was also shocked to learn during the following year that, although my first sexual experience was with him at age 18, his first sexual experience was with a prostitute at age 17. I had been previously traumatized when, after having sex with me (a virgin who expected that he was one too, having had a conversation about that before hand), he told me the next morning that he had already been with someone else (aside from the prostitute, who I just recently found out about). I went haywire and became promiscuous for a couple of years before marriage after finding out about him, and realizing that a marriage proposal was not going to happen any time soon (as he made clear to me). I felt totally ruined, as virginity was sacred to me. Ok, so after marriage, I assumed that all of our old sexual childishness was over and that we would always keep our vows with complete fidelity, which I did, but obviously he didn’t. Recently, he has assured me that he was totally clean from all of this, but I found out that he lied to me again, saying that he hadn’t been on a particular website (Real Housewives of New York City), when he actually had been. He didn’t see “anything”, so he assures me, but he was on the site at 1 in the morning, and the woman he showed interest in was this coming playboy’s cover girl. He insists he was interested in their gossipy lives. Ok, then, why the lie? I lost it at that point, and suggested a trial separation, but during a temple recommend interview the stake president assured me that separation is not the answer and that complete assurance and peace about a divorce is the only way that it is acceptable. Well, I have neither assurance from above or any peace at this point. I have a family counting on me to do what’s right, which is likely to stay and make this whole thing work. My worry is a selfish one, what about me? I feel trashed and humiliated and cheapened. Help???”

Answer: I appreciate your question. The pain and trauma that you have experienced during the continued discoveries of his sexual encounters must be so painful. From what you stated it appears that you are dealing with a mountain of hurt and betrayal. I know that must be so difficult as you had hoped and felt he was faithful but clearly is not at this point. He clearly does have a sexual addiction and is not sober, at least not now. His justifications about being interested in gossipy lives and saying he has it under control is clearly a denial as to the problem since if he were really working on it he’d of included you and the Lord in his own recovery. Sexual addiction is powerfully, as it involved God-given drives, chemical changes in the body, and can become a crutch to cope with emotional challenges. Beginning with his sexual encounter with a prostitute at 17 and then the series of lap dances, bouts with online porn while alone, and the rationalizations he is offering you indicate to me that he is in fact not sober and if in recovery is likely failing currently at getting a handle on his addiction. I imagine he must be in a world of shame and hurt as well. Shame as he knows that he is living a lie and lying to you as well. He likely is coping with the porn and hoping that it’ll go away but as the research indicates pornography addiction does not ‘go away’ without significant clinical intervention. Oxytocin and Serotonin are released in the brain during sexual arousal while he is engaging in this erotic and fantasy laden sexual encounters. His brain is an organ, and the power of these chemicals, in addition to his own emotional needs are part of what rivets him to his addiction.

My counsel for you is to confront him. He is in denial and needs more than a talk tape or book. The stories you shared and likely the ones you don’t know about are fueling his addiction and it will likely continue as it is just that, an addiction and addictions don’t stand to reason as the brain (not his spirit) is amoral and just wants more and more. I recommend you confront him that he get help, serious professional help. Part of his recovery will be working through understanding how he is benefiting from the porn and encounters and helping him get out of denial and into working through it, not avoiding it. For you I recommend you read this book titled, Confronting Your Spouse’s Pornography Problem.

I also recommend you find a solid LDS counselor that has training and a history working with sexual addictions. You need support and help as you navigate the pain you are bearing with the news that your husband is addicted and thus acting out in ways that jeopardize the marriage covenant and the future of the marriage. You are not alone. Please see my other inquiries that others have made regarding this topic of pornography and sexual addiction. You are not selfish for speaking out, but courageous. It is imperative that you draw a line in the sand. Your demanding respect, virtue, and love from him is one of the only ways for him to hit bottom and then realize he is in need of help. His problem will not go away and it is up to him to get the help and work through it.

Feel free to contact me and I can assist you in finding a therapist in your area with the right training to help guide and support you as you confront and work with you husband.

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Question: “My husband and I have been married for 7 years. While we were dating he told me he had an addiction to pornography since someone showed him a magazine when he was 8. He cried when he told me and assured me it was something he was working on and would not let continue. Over the first few years of our marriage I would either find something on the computer or he would feel guilty and confess on his own to me when he had “slipped up”. He could go months without viewing it and then go back. I got to the point where I was sick of asking him how he was doing on it since I was always scared to hear a negative answer and I found he would just lie until he was ready to confess anyways. Other than this issue, he is a perfect husband. He helps me around the house, is a hard worker, a wonderful father and my best friend. He has been to different bishops about it (since we move so often) but has never had temple worthiness revoked. In fact, a couple years ago he was made a high-priest. It has been a couple years since we have dealt with this issue so I thought maybe he was doing better but this morning I sound several porn links on his pocket pc (and he knows I check the history periodically). It also appears as it instead of just looking at pictures like he used to, there were links for video clips. I’m freaking out! It’s getting worse? I always kinds thought how guilty he felt about his little slip ups would prevent him from taking it any further. I realize he probably needs outside help, as do I since this is not really doing wonders for my self-esteem. What else can I do to help him? I don’t want to make him feel so guilty or bad that he feels hopeless about quitting but I want to help him stop. I wouldn’t ever want to consider divorce over something like this but I find myself thinking about the possibility of him leaving me or me having to leave him if it ever got too bad. Please help give me any tips for myself or him.”

Answer: I am glad you are reaching out for support. I can imagine you are pretty hurt and upset with his porn use that has lingered for years and appears to be getting worse. Stopping pornography can be harder than some substance addictions, like oxycontin or heroin. I have worked personally with scores of men that are addicted. These are successful, seemingly happy, but addicted men. They often live two lives and find themselves hiding and using their secret addiction to soothe and meet emotional and or sexual needs.

Yes, he does need clinical help. He will not kick it on his own and even if he did have the capacity to do it (he would of years ago if this was the case) he does not have an objective clear view that would help him assess his needs, his insecurities, and his doubts. He may not feel an impetus to change as he does not have a lot of pressure from you or so it appears from your post. He also may not hit rock bottom and feel like it is a significant issue unless he feels and comes to know that it hurts you, and it hurts you badly. It can and will destroy your marriage. I have worked with many couples that are battling it, don’t mistake, it is addictive and will lead him to objectify you and fantasize about other women; he needs help.

I recommend that you get some counseling help. I also recommend you read my other posts on the subject of pornography. http://www.ldsphonecounseling.com/blog/?cat=31

Listen to a good audio clip about how porn impacts the minds of men, 5 min. clip here: http://www.ldsphonecounseling.com/audio/jason-evert.mp3

I have provided a list of links of articles that I feel can help you heal.
Is Pornography That Harmful? (Recommended)
Breaking the Chains of Pornography – LDS Ensign
Leaving Pornography Behind – LDS Ensign (Recommended)

Get a longer list of articles from the LDS Church.

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Question: “My boyfriend and I have been ‘together’ for about 2 years now. We’re both sophomores in college and at the start of last semester he broke up with me and became a totally different person. One thing he struggled with was his sexuality and he participated in gay sex while we were separated. Recently we decided to try and work things out between us and and after dropping the bomb about his having sex with a man he insists that the sex was just to fill a curiosity. However, he also says that on a physical level he finds men more attractive than women, but that he is much more interested in an emotional connection and he says that he will be attracted sexually to anyone he falls ! in love with (he says he’s in love with me and finds me sexually attractive). I love him very much, but I am just torn about continuing a relationship with him. I don’t know if I can get over the fact that he slept with a man. It especially hurts because all along during our separation he repeatedly told me he wanted to work things out, but then I find out he slept with someone else. When he broke up with me he also promised not to sleep with or become intimate with a woman until he was married. I thought at the time it was dumb of him to make a promise like that since he didn’t know what the future held, but since he did promise it I now find myself upset with him for not only breaking the promise, but making it in the first place. The thing I think hurts the most about the whole situation is that when we were together we decided not to have sex; he wanted to wait until marriage. So now I am also feeling kind of cheated, betrayed and not good enough because not only! did he go out and break his vow with someone else, it was with a man. I can’t look at him without thinking about him and the guy together and I find myself obsessing about the whole situation all the time. Is there hope for me to get over this so we can move on with our relationship?”

Answer: I appreciate your writing in and for the details of the situation as this will help me be able to speak to your situation much more clearly. You mentioned in your post that “he struggled with was his sexuality and he participated in gay sex”. I am sure that was not only a betrayal but a shock to you as well. On the former though, you did say he struggles with his sexuality, and I am not entirely sure what this means but I’ll try and put the pieces together here. You are dating this man who has told you or indirectly communicated that he struggles with his sexual orientation. Then during your separation, he ended up in a sexual encounter with another man, right? So, if I have it correct, you are asking if their is hope for your relationship? It is interesting that he claims he wants no intimacy with you and wants to ‘save’ it till marriage then after the breakup has sex with another man and claims it was out of curiosity. I might then ask you, why are you wanting to stay with a guy that claims he wants to save intimacy and sexual behavior till after marriage and ends up with another man? You mentioned, “I am also feeling kind of cheated, betrayed and not good enough because not only! did he go out and break his vow with someone else, it was with a man.” and I completely understand. I have worked with many types of individuals, both gay and straight. What I find is that ones sexual orientation is not merely a choice something they turn and off. Their behavior is a choice but inclinations and the like often are complex.  So, I would not recommend laying hold to the idea that just because he was experimenting with gay sex that he can simply change that, and now want to be involved with you. I have worked with many gay men, both LDS and not and find that their sexuality is a complex interaction between several things: how they were socialized as kids, their own temperament, inner inclinations, etc that are not always simply a choice. So, with that stated, I have serious reservations in your lining up with a man that is following his homosexual inclinations if you plan on living a heterosexual relationship with him. Bottom line is that he misled you already, saying he wanted intimacy and sex after marriage and now has been with another man. I would suggest your digging deeper into what it is you want. Here are a few questions: Do you want to be with a guy that is unsure if he is gay or straight or just experimenting? What is keeping you with him despite his misleading you then after the gay sex telling you that he was just curious? If you would like to try and work it out what do you think it will take for you to move beyond what he did? If you do stay with him and get married, how and what will you do if after a month or two of marriage he has sex with another man? Lots of questions, large questions that raise some serious doubt. I know it is not easy, I am sure you care about him, likely a lot, if not you’d of left him by now after the incident. I’d suggest your evaluating less of his behavior and analysis of his sexuality and more about what it is that you want and what you can and cannot tolerate.

Take some time, write down the questions I posed above and look over your answers to my questions, then decide. Doing so will help clear the smoke of doubt and confusion once you do some journaling about it.

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Question: “How do I move on…… My ex-wife was unfaithful 3 times during our 12 year marriage. First time was just kissing she claimed; second was a one-night-stand and she was disfellowshiped but later was reinstated and we had our 2nd child after that; third time she had a full-blown affair, left home with the children when she fell pregnant to him (she later told me) and then had a abortion due to complications with that pregnancy. She then returned home, confessed all and was excommunicated. Due to that excommunication, she claimed, left home again with the kids secretly when I was working. I did question her probably too much after she was disfellowshiped asking how she could claimed to love me when she went with someone else and after the last time she came back home I questioned her more and openly doubted her story of ‘sorry, I made a mistake with him’ etc. After she left last time, I filled for divorce and obtained it with her absent. That was five years ago. There was never any violence or similar major incidents during our marriage(apart from these infidelities of course) but we did argue almost every week for this or that. I’ve always held a temple recommend, as she did too except during the disciplinary time, and I had many leadership callings in church, as she did too as relief society president(which she was when she was having that affair) and YW leadership, in both ward and stake. Today she is totally inactive with our kids, but I’m still active with temple recommend, calling etc My problem is that I can’t seem to move on. The times I’ve even talked to other single women I ended up feeling guilty and then turn away from them. I’ve turned down several opportunities to date new women. More often than not I find myself praying that she could return or we could get together again, but then later I know its not realistic. I also worry that because the church will not call even a bishop who was once divorced nor is there any GA who was once divorced, I fear that divorcing was a sin which I’ve committed since I filed for it and went through to the end although church leaders say that sometimes divorce is necessary. I’ve read all the related talks available at lds.org, especially Elder Oaks recent one but even then I go through different emotions because when he starts his talk I’ll say Yes, that was me, I needed to divorce but then when he talks to couples who have descended into a marriage in name only and tries to counsel people to not divorce (that it do! isn’t solve any problems etc) then I feel guilty again and inevitably will end up praying again for her to return or for another chance of marriage to her again. I’ve also thought about suicide many times but I end up not doing anything just so the kids will keep receiving their child support payments, and I can still see them too. But usually, I’d say people see me as generally bitter and conflictual possibly stubborn too maybe. Well I’ve written too much now, so the basic question is how do I move on to be able to one day maybe remarry. I know I have to stop hoping for my ex-wife since if not I’ll just be stalking her, if in thought only.”

Answer: Sounds like you have had a really difficult journey. The affairs your former spouse had, the mother of your children, must have really hurt. Dealing with the pain from divorce can be heart wrenching, but more difficult the pain from the infidelity and betrayal by her due to her consistent relationships outside your marriage. The pain for the children must be immense too.

I have a few questions to think about that were not explained in the post. Do you have custody and a relationship with your children? If not, why does she have them solely? From your post, it appears that the marriage was conflict ridden and that there were some problems before or during the affairs she was having. My recommendation here is to process what happened prior to the divorce. The relationship was rocky, or so it appears, and you were hurt, really hurt. I feel your pain when you speak about the 3rd affair and it’s leading you to divorce her.

The bottom line at this point is you are divorced. The marriage is over, the trust is broken due to the betrayal and pain. Your praying that you both can get back together is natural considering this loss for you. Her coming back is unlikely, and if she did she would likely replicate the same patterns in marriage with you again. My suggestion would be that you pray to understand the resistance you have now to dating. Sounds like it has been a few years and you are still hopeful that it will work out and it likely is not. You really need to do some loss and grief work with a therapist. The bonding and attachment are both still alive and are prohibiting you from seeing clearly and dating other women. The internal silent fixed beliefs that you are sinning or that you are hopeless. Clearly is suicide was on your mind as an option or solution you are in pain and need to work through the thought processes that lead you to feelings of despair that culminate in suicide. You also mentioned that you may appear bitter and conflictual with others or at least stubborn. Why would they say this? What are you doing to work on you, to make yourself for of a partner that others would want to be married too? Again, working on you can help you prevent this from happening again in a relationship. It is clear you want to date but the guilt you feel is flowing from faulty beliefs you have about the nature of the divorce. It is as if on some level you are not divorced yet emotionally. The way to do that is to work through the feelings of loss and grief and start healing so that you can prepare your heart and mind for the next relationship. I wrote an article on this topic here.

Glad to hear you have done your own research on divorce and that process from the LDS paradigm. Divorce is not a sin but the Lord does not sanction individuals that quit or close a marriage down due to ‘personality conflicts’ or the like. Gaining guidance and confirmation from the Lord on such matters is requisite prior to making a decision to divorce. I typically do not counsel couples to divorce but to work on their marriage and to seek the Lord. In cases of abuse and the like I counseling people to ensure they are physically and emotionally safe.

My final suggestion for you in addition to the questions you posed is to start working with a counselor and sort through your feelings of loss and grief. Reaching closure and finding meaning is key to your moving forward and will help resolve some of your heartache. Best of luck in your journey.

Additional Resources: Official LDS Church Articles on Divorce as well as YouTube video below

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prayQuestion: “I am a active woman in the gospel and i love the church a couple of years ago i had an affair. I have been though the repentance process and have been temple worthy for all most two years now but i can’t find the strength to forgive myself. If the savior is so gracious as to have forgivness for me why can’t i find it for myself?”

Answer: You bring an common question about the nature of healing following infidelity and the nature of sin as we understand it. Many following grievous sin like infidelity struggle to forgive themselves despite their best efforts. I have counseling and worked with men and women in similar circumstances. I recall one client in particular that twenty years following some serious sin was still struggling to move forward and was constantly trying to measure up to her standard due to her sins in days past. I hear from your post that you are not temple worthy and have moved forward in a newfound way.

To clarify from the Master, he said to Isaiah, “Though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow” Isaiah 1:18. He has promised that he will remit sin, He can as He has taken them upon Himself. The difficulty is that the pain from sin is so pervasive and so real that as mortals, imperfect beings, many find difficulty finding forgiveness in their hearts for themselves. I know that the Lord can and does forget. In the scores of individuals and couples I have worked with I find that individuals rarely forget the past. I feel the Lord would have us remember much of it so we do not continue to sin. The remarkable piece here is that He will forgive you. I have provided a list of resources for you from the secular as well as the spiritual sources. I recommend you read the materials I have linked to below. The doctrinal talks are helpful in clarifying the issues you mentioned in your post. The learning to forgive is a huge resource on the nature of forgiveness and research done by a well respected therapist, Fred Luskin. His research on the nature of forgiveness is key in supplementing the gospel view from a mental health and healing perspective.

LDS Links
http://bit.ly/8h9VhF

http://www.lds.org/conference/talk/display/0,5232,23-1-602-9,00.html

Learning to Forgive
http://www.learningtoforgive.com/

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